Does Dick Irvin Sr. Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a Player?

Dick Irvin Sr. is arguably not as famous as his son to anyone who isn’t a Habs fan or who isn’t a really old Leafs fan. But before he was a great coach, he was a player. In this episode of The Back Check we try to decide whether he was a player who was good enough to be inducted just as a player, and not due to his coach record, because that’s a conversation we can have.

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Dick Irvin Sr.’s stats:

Career:

  • NHL: 1926-29, 3 seasons, 2 quality
  • 29G, 23A for 52P in 95 games
  • Era: Of the 28 players aged 30 or older to play in at least 82 games between 1926 and 1929, Irvin is
    • 5th in Goals, Points and Offensive Point Shares
    • 6th in PPG
    • 2nd in Assists and APG
    • 4th in PPG
    • 12th in Point Shares
  • 82-game average: 25G, 20A for 45P
  • No possession stats
  • Playoffs: 2G for 2P in 2 games
  • Adjusted: 56G, 147A for 203P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 48G, 127A for 175P yuk yuk yuk
  • Doesn’t qualify for adjusted leaderboards
  • Transfered into the NHL when the WCHL folded, but otherwise never traded.
  • PCHA:
    • 1916-17, 1 quality season
    • 35G, 10A for 45P in 23 games
    • If the qualifier is set to an absurd 20 games (less than a single season), Irvin is
      • 1st All Time in GPG
      • 5th in APG
      • 2nd in PPG
    • No playoff games played
    • Drafted out of the PCHA and so became an amateur hockey player again.
  • WCHL:
    • 1921-26; 5 seasons, all quality
    • 58G (as high as 8th All Time), 24A (as high as 10th) for 82P (as high as 9th) in 102 games (as high as 14th)
    • If the qualifier is set to 82 games played, Irvin is possibly as high as 8th All Time in GPG and APG and 9th in PPG
    • 30-game average of 17G, 7A for 24P
    • 3-year peak is too annoying to calculate
    • Playoffs: 4G for 4P in 8 games
    • Never traded.

Accomplishments:

  • Top 5 in Hart voting once
  • Top 10 Player (by PS) once (‘27)
  • Top 5 Offensive Player (by OPS) once (‘27)
  • Top 5 in Goals once
  • Top 10 in GPG once
  • Led the league in Assists once
  • Led the league in APG once
  • Top 5 in Points once
  • Top 5 in PPG once
  • PCHA:
    • Top 5 in Goals his only season in the league
    • Probably Top 5 in GPG his only season in the league
    • Top 10 in Assists his only season in the league
    • Possibly Top 10 in APG his only season in the league
    • Top 5 in Points his only season in the league
    • Top 10 in PPG his only season in the league
  • WCHL:
    • Top 5 in Goals twice, Top 10 three times
    • Top 5 in GPG twice, Top 10 three times
    • Top 5? In Assists once (just over a ¼ of the league leader), Top 10 probably three times
    • Top 10 in APG three times (¼ to ½ the league leader’s, depending upon the year)
    • Top 5 in Points once (half the league leader), Top 10 three times
    • Top 5 in PPG probably three times

Great Teams:

  • WCHL:
    • Top 3 Forward (by points) on one WCHL Champion (‘22 Capitals)
  • Senior:
    • Best Player? (20 points in 6 games!!!) on one Allan Cup Champion (‘15 Monarchs)

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