Does Jean-Guy Talbot Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

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Now that Kevin Lowe is in the Hockey Hall of Fame, we decided to look at someone else with a lot of Cups who isn’t in yet: Jean-Guy Talbot.

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Sid Abel

Career

  • NHL: 1938-43, 1945-54; 14 seasons, 9 quality
  • 189G, 283A[1. 8th All Time at his retirement] for 472P[2. 16th All Time at his retirement in 612 games[3. 20th All Time at his retirement]
  • At his retirement, Abel was 22nd All Time in GPG, 8th in APG and 14th in PPG[4. Minimum 500 games]
  • Era: Abel is 9th in Goals, 6th in GPG and PPG, 4th in Assists, 2nd in APG, 7th in Points and OPS, 8th in PS and 10th in Games[5. Of the 12 players to play in at least 600 games between 1938 and 1954]

Stan Mikita

Career:

  • NHL: 1958-80; 22 seasons, 19 quality
  • Totals:
    • 541G,[1. 6th All Time at his retirement]
    • 926A (18th All Time)[2. 2nd All Time at his retirement] for
    • 1467P (14th All Time)[3. 3rd All Time at his retirement]
    • +159[4. Since 1967-68] in
    • 1394 games;[5. 7th at his retirement]
    • 143.7 PS[6. 5th at his retirement]
  • Mikita is 20th All Time in Offensive Point Shares[7. Mikita was also 2nd All Time in Offensive Point Shares]
  • At his retirement, Mikita was 6th All Time in GPG, 2nd in APG and 5th in PPG[8. Minimum 1,000 games]
  • Era: Mikita is 3rd in Goals, 2nd in GPG, APG, Points, PPG, OPS, PS and Games, and 1st in Assists[9. Of the 6 players to play in at least 1200 games between 1958 and 1980, as only 3 players played in 1250 games, and only 2 players played in 1300 games over that span]
  • 82-game average: 32G, 54A for 86P
  • 3-year peak:[10. 1966-69] 74-game average of 36G, 60A for 96P
  • Playoffs: 59G, 91A for 150P in 155 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey Reference:
      • 541G, 937A for 1478P
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 32G, 55A for 87P
      • Adjusted Per Game:
    • VsX:
  • Never traded.
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Lorne Carr

Career

  • NHL: 1933-46; 13 seasons, 9 quality[1. By Modern standards of PPG]
  • 204G (12th All Time at his retirement), 222A (10th) for 426P (9th) in 580 games (16th); 39.2 PS
  • Era: Carr is 3rd in Goals, GPG, OPS and Games, 2nd in Assists, APG, Points and PPG, and 7th in PS[2. Of the 7 players to play in at least 550 games between 1933 and 1946]
  • 82-game average: 29G, 31A for 60P
  • 3-year peak:[3. 1942-45] 48-game average of 27G, 31A for 59P
  • Playoffs: 10G, 9A for 19P in 53 games
  • Adjusted: 273G, 345A for 618P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 39G, 49A for 87P
  • Traded twice in his prime, and twice at the beginning of his career.[4. Basically he was waived and called back up.]

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Aubrey Dit Clapper

Dit Clapper’s Career

  • NHL: 1927-47; 20 seasons, 8 out of 10 quality as a forward (by modern standards of PPG) and at least 8 out of 10 quality as a D (by Defensive Point Shares)
  • Totals:
    • 228G (8th All Time at his retirement),
    • 246A (6th) for
    • 474P (6th) in
    • 833 games (1st) – Clapper held the record for games played until the 1956-57 season
    • 94.3 PS (5th)
  • At his retirement, Clapper was 18th All Time in GPG and PPG, and 20th in APG (minimum 500 games, since Clapper doesn’t meet the qualifiers for APG or PPG)
  • At his retirement, Clapper was 6th All Time in Offensive Point Shares and 11th All time in Defensive Point Shares
  • Era: Of the 7 players to play in at least 600 games between 1927 and 1947, Clapper is
    • 3rd in Goals, GPG, Points and DPS,
    • 2nd in Assists,
    • 4th in APG and PPG,
    • 1st in OPS, PS and Games
  • 82-game average: 22G, 25A for 47P; 9.2 PS
  • 3-year peak (1929-32): 44-game average of 26G, 16A for 43P (as a forward)
  • Playoffs: 13G, 17A for 30 points in 82 games
  • Adjusted: 382G, 508A for 890P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 38G, 50A for 88P
  • Never Traded.
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Milt Schmidt

Career

  • NHL: 1936-42, 1945-55; 16 seasons, 14 quality
  • 229G (14th All Time at his retirement), 346A (3rd) for 575P (4th) in 776 games (2nd), 63.3 PS (22nd)
  • At his retirement, Schmidt was 12th All Time in APG and 19th in PPG[1. Minimum 500 games, 79 qualifying players]
  • Era: Schmidt is 3rd in Goals, GPG, PPG and PS, 1st in Assists, APG and Games, 2nd in Points and OPS[2. Of the 6 players to play it at least 700 games between 1936 and 1955, as only 2 players played in 750 games]
  • At his retirement, Schmidt was 13th All time in OPS
  • 82-game average: 25G, 37A for 61P
  • 3-year peak (1939-42): 48-game average of 18G, 28A for 46P
  • Playoffs: 24G, 25A for 49P in 86 games
  • Adjusted: 305G, 540A for 845P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 32G, 57A for 89P
  • If the qualifier is set to 750 games, Schmidt is 18th All Time in Adjusted PPG
  • Never traded.

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Does Joseph Bernie Geoffrion Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Bernie Geoffrion’s Career

  • NHL: 1950-64, 1966-68; 16 seasons, 14 quality
  • Totals:
    • 393G (5th All Time at his final retirement),
    • 429A (11th) for
    • 822P (8th) in
    • 883 games (24th);
    • 97.5 PS (15th)
  • At his initial retirement, Geoffrion was
    • 10th All Time in GPG,
    • 9th in APG and
    • 5th in PPG
  • At his initial retirement, Geoffrion was 7th All Time in Offensive Point Shares
  • Era: Of the 16 players to play in at least 750 games between 1950 and 1964, Geoffrion is
    • 2nd in Goals, GPG, APG, Points, PPG and OPS,
    • 6th in Assists,
    • 4th in PS and
    • 14th in Games
  • 82-game average: 37G, 40A for 76P
  • 3-year peak (1958-61): 70-game average of 39G, 50A for 89P
  • Playoffs: 58G, 60A for 118P in 132 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey-Reference:
      • 464G, 518A for 982P
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 43G, 48A for 91P
      • 23rd All Time in GPG
    • VsX:
      • 595G, 696A, 1,093P
      • 19th All Time in GPG; if the qualifier is set to 820 games, Geoffrion is 17th All Time in APG and 9th in PPG
  • Waived while retired (so he could sign with the Rangers)
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Bryan Hextall

Bryan Hextall’s Career

  • NHL: 1936-44; 1945-48; 11 seasons, 8 quality
  • Totals:
    • 187G (19th All Time at his retirement),
    • 175A for
    • 362P (24th) in
    • 449 games;
    • 36.4 PS
  • Hextall does not qualify for the PG leader-boards but, if the qualifier is set at 300GP, at his retirement, Hextall was
    • 9th All Time in GPG,
    • 23rd in APG and
    • 15th in PPG
  • Era: Of the 23 players to play in at least 400 games between 1936 and 1948, Hextall is
    • 3rd in Goals and GPG,
    • 9th in Assists,
    • 10th in APG, 8th in Points,
    • 6th in PPG,
    • 4th in OPS,
    • 12th in PS and
    • 13th in Games
  • 82-game average: 34G, 32A for 66P
  • 3-year peak (1941-43): 48-game average of 23G, 32A for 55P
  • Playoffs: 8G, 9A for 17P in 37 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey-Reference:
      • 252G, 250A for 502P
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 46G, 46A for 92P
      • Hextall didn’t score enough to qualify for the adjusted PG leader-boards
    • VsX:
      • 469G, 564A for 904P [The calculation is done individually for each stat]
      • 82-game average: 85G, 103A for 165P [This is absurd]
      • Hextall is 2nd All Time in GPG, 5th in APG and 1st in PPG [so we know what era this adjustment favours!]
  • Traded out of the NHL at the end of his career.
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Max Bentley

Max Bentley’s Career

  • NHL: 1940-43; 1945-54; 12 seasons, 11 quality
  • Totals:
    • 245G (7th All Time at his retirement),
    • 299A (5th) for
    • 544P (5th) in
    • 646 games (14th),
    • 56.6 PS
  • At his retirement, Bentley was 10th All time in GPG, and 9th in APG and GPG
  • At his retirement, Bentley was 19th All Time in Offensive Point Shares
  • Era: Bentley is 3rd in Goals, GPG and Points, 2nd in Assists and APG, 4th in PPG and OPS, 6th in PS and 5th in Games[1. Of the 10 players to play in at least 600 games between 1940 and 1954]
  • 82-game average: 31G, 38A for 69P
  • 3-year peak (1942-47): 50-game average of 28G, 38A for 67P
  • Playoffs: 18G, 27A for 45P in 51 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey Reference:
      • 298G, 436A for 734P
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 38G, 55A for 93P
      • Per Game:
      • VsX:
  • Traded once in his prime and once at the end of his career.
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