Does George Hay Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Whether or not you think George Hay belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame depends a lot on how much weight you put on a player scoring at a point-per-game pace in the Western Canada Hockey League. It’s worth noting that Hay lost the scoring race to both Duke Keats and Bill Cook in different WCHL seasons – i.e. he was never clearly the best offensive player in the WCHL/WHL. Nor was he ever a true star in the NHL: His brief NHL career isn’t particularly distinguished compared to the careers of his contemporaries, given the size of the NHL at the time.

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Does Frank Fredrickson Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Fredrickson entered the NHL in his 30s but, before that, he was an absolute star of the PCHA, perhaps the 3rd best player in its history.

Is that good enough for him to be in the Hall of Fame?

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Does Gordon Duke Keats Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Duke Keats was, by many measures, the best player in the history of the WCHL. Does that mean he belongs in a Hockey Hall of Fame containing mostly NHL players?

In our latest episode, we discuss Keats’ case. Listen here:

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Does Duncan “Mickey” MacKay Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Mickey MacKay was one of the PCHA’s great hockey players. When the PCHA merged with the WCHL, he was a star in the WCHL as well. With his mediocre NHL numbers, does he belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

We talk about MacKay’s case for the Hall of Fame on our latest episode. Listen here:

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Does Corb Denneny Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Unlike his brother Cy, Charles “Corb” Corbett Denneny is not in the Hockey Hall of Fame, despite having a pretty decent career.

In this episode, we talk about Corb and how he compares to some of his contemporaries who are in the Hall already. Does he deserve to be inducted now?

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Does Dick Irvin Sr. Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a Player?

Dick Irvin Sr. is arguably not as famous as his son to anyone who isn’t a Habs fan or who isn’t a really old Leafs fan. But before he was a great coach, he was a player. In this episode of The Back Check we try to decide whether he was a player who was good enough to be inducted just as a player, and not due to his coach record, because that’s a conversation we can have.

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Dick Irvin Sr.’s stats:

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Frank Foyston

Frank Foyston was a star in the Pacific Coast Hockey Association (PCHA) but never really reached the same level in the NHA, WCHL or NHL, all of which he played in for at least 39 games. Do players like Foyston, who only excelled in one of the early pro leagues, truly belong in the Hall of Fame?

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Does Newsy Lalonde Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

The question with Newsy isn’t whether or not he belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame but rather, is Newsy Lalonde one of the Greatest of All Time? Newsy’s dominance of the early NHL is unrivaled but where does he rank all time? Listen here:

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Harry Oliver

Career

  • NHL: 1926-37; 11 seasons, 5 quality[1. By modern PPG standards]
  • 127G, 85A for 212P in 463 games (22nd)
  • Era: Oliver is 12th in Goals and GPG, 18th in Assists, 19th in APG, 14th in Points and PPG, 11th in OPS, 13th in PS and 17th in Games[2. Of the 22 players to play in at least 450 games between 1926 and 1937]
  • 82-game average: 22G, 15A for 38P
  • 3-year peak (1928-31): 44-game average of 17G, 7A for 26P
  • Playoffs: 10G, 6A for 16P in 35 games
  • Adjusted: 241G, 294A for 535P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 43G, 52A for 95P]
  • Traded into the NHL, traded near the end of his career.

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Eddie Shore

Career

  • NHL: 1926-40; 14 seasons, 11 quality[1. By Defensive Point Shares]
  • Totals:
    • 105G,
    • 179A (7th All Time at his retirement) for
    • 284P (21st) in
    • 550 Games (13th),
    • 51.4 PS (4th)
  • At his retirement, Shore was 21st in GPG, 4th in APG and 12th in PPG[2. Minimum 500 games – 25 qualifying players]
  • At his retirement, Shore was 10th All Time in Offensive Point Shares and 3rd in Defensive Point Shares
  • Era: Shore is 8th in Goals, GPG and Points, 3rd in Assists, 1st in APG and DPS,[3. Ahead by over 17 DPS] 6th in PPG, 5th in OPS, 2nd in PS and 10th in Games[4. Of the 10 skaters to play in at least 550 games between 1926 and 1940]
  • 82-game average: 16G, 27A for 43P
  • 3-year peak (1928-31): 44-game average of 14G, 15A for 28P
  • Playoffs: 7G, 12A for 19P in 55 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey-Reference:
      • 196G, 525A for 721P
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 29G, 78A for 107P
      • Per game: Shore is 18th All Time in Adjusted PPG if the requirement is set at 500 games
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  • Traded once in the NHL at the end of his career.
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