Does Harold Punch Broadbent Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

According to some, Punch Broadbent was the original power forward, the first (NHL?) hockey player to combine skill and physicality in a dominant way.

If that’s true, then even without going through is stats he likely has a pretty good case for the Hockey Hall of Fame. But we’ll look at his career anyway.

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Does Eric Desjardins Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

If you never watched Eric Desjardins play, you might think this is a stupid question (unless you have a lot of faith in the concept of Defensive Point Shares). But, for a time, Desjardins was one of the best defencemen in the NHL.

Did he do enough to warrant induction into the Hall of Fame? Listen to us talk about Eric Desjardins here:

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Does Vincent Damphousse Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

By offensive numbers alone, it sure looks like there’s no much of a case for Vincent Damphousse to be included in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

However, some of us remember him as being particularly reliable defensively.

Was he? Did he do enough on that end? Have we forgotten how good he was because he never won the Selke, or are we mis-remembering?

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Does Rod Brind’Amour Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Rod Brind’Amour was a borderline offensive star in his early years and a consensus star defensive forward in the latter half of his career, winning the Selke twice. He is -39 for his career.

Was Brind’Amour that elite defensively? Was he a good enough all around player to be inducted?

Listen to us discuss Brind’Amour’s Hall of Fame case:

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Defensive Defensemen

Since the position of defenseman was created, there have been defenders who contributed to the team’s offense and there have been players who didn’t much. But this difference was exacerbated by the expansion of the NHL in 1967 and the phenomenon of Bobby Orr, who destroyed scoring records for defenders, and showed that teams could expect scoring from the back-end in ways they never imagined.

This change essentially created a dichotomy between “offensive” defensemen, who scored a lot, albeit not quite as much as Bobby Orr, and “defensive” defensemen, who didn’t score much at all. For our purposes, we’ve arbitrarily assumed that a “defensive defenseman” is a defender which manged .35 adjusted PPG or less throughout their NHL career.

The Hall of Fame’s attitude towards defensively inclined defenders also changed since expansion. The Hall of Fame has inducted six NHL defensemen from that era who scored less than .35 adjusted PPG (of a total of 16 legitimate candidates they could have inducted). But the Hall of Fame has inducted exactly one player who fits the bill, Rod Langway, to play the majority of his career since expansion.

This leads to three possible conclusions:

  • Rod Langway was the best defensive defenseman since expansion, significantly better than any other, and he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame while no other player with a similar skill set deserves the honour. OR
  • There are other players of Rod Langway’s ability who have been forgotten or overlooked because they didn’t get the awards votes (Norris and Hart) that Langway got, and they deserve to be in. OR
  • Rod Langway’s awards votes are a historical curiosity that won’t happen again and he didn’t necessarily deserve them, nor do other players who fail to contribute offensively, and no defensive defensemen should be inducted into the Hall of Fame going forward.

How do we sort out this problem?

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Does Dave Andreychuk Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

One of the more controversial recent inductions was Dave Andreychuk, a player whose case is based nearly entirely on longevity.

Does he belong? Listen here:

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Lorne Carr

Career

  • NHL: 1933-46; 13 seasons, 9 quality[1. By Modern standards of PPG]
  • 204G (12th All Time at his retirement), 222A (10th) for 426P (9th) in 580 games (16th); 39.2 PS
  • Era: Carr is 3rd in Goals, GPG, OPS and Games, 2nd in Assists, APG, Points and PPG, and 7th in PS[2. Of the 7 players to play in at least 550 games between 1933 and 1946]
  • 82-game average: 29G, 31A for 60P
  • 3-year peak:[3. 1942-45] 48-game average of 27G, 31A for 59P
  • Playoffs: 10G, 9A for 19P in 53 games
  • Adjusted: 273G, 345A for 618P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 39G, 49A for 87P
  • Traded twice in his prime, and twice at the beginning of his career.[4. Basically he was waived and called back up.]

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Lawrence Baldy Northcott

Career

  • NHL: 1928-39; 11 seasons, 6 quality[1. By modern standards of PPG]
  • 133G, 112A for 245P in 446 points
  • At his retirement, Northcott was 22nd in GPG
  • For players to play during the decade he played in, Northcott is 15th in Goals, 23rd in Assists, 19th in Points and 22nd in Games Played[2. Minimum 400 games]
  • Era: Northcott is 15th Goals, 12th in GPG, 23rd in Assists, 21 in APG and PS, 19th in Points, 17th in PPG and OPS, and 22nd in Games[3. Of the 37 players to play in at least 400 games between 1928 and 1939]
  • 82-game average: 25G, 21A for 45P
  • 3-year peak (1931-34): 48-game average of 21G, 14A for 34P
  • Playoffs: 8G, 5A for 13P in 31 games
  • Adjusted: 229G, 256A for 485P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 42G, 47P for 89P
  • Traded once at the end of his career.

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Hector Kilrea

Career

  • NHL: 1925-40; 15 seasons, 5 quality[1. By modern standards of PPG]
  • 167G (15th All Time at his retirement), 129A for 296P (18th) in 633 games (4th); 44.9 PS
  • At his retirement, Kilrea was 14th All Time in GPG, 20th in APG and 16th in PPG[2. Minimum 500 games, 25 qualifying players]
  • Era: Kilrea is 5th in Goals and GPG, 8th in Assists and OPS, APG and PPG, 6th in Points, 7th in PS and 3rd in Games[3. Of the 10 players to play in at least 550 games between 1925 and 1940, because only 3 players managed to play in 600 games over that span]
  • 82-game average: 21G, 16A for 39P
  • 3-year peak (1929-32): 44-game average of 23G, 12A for 35P
  • Playoffs: 8G, 7A for 15P in 48 games
  • Adjusted: 296G, 395A for 691P
  • Adjusted 82-game average: 38G, 51A for 90P
  • Traded twice in his prime.

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Billy Taylor

Billy Taylor’s Career

  • NHL: 1939-43, 1945-8; 7 seasons, 6 quality (by modern standards of PPG)
  • Totals:
    • 87G,
    • 180A for
    • 267P in
    • 323 games;
    • 23.0 PS
  • Per Game: Taylor didn’t score enough to make these leader-boards. However, at his banning, among players who played at least 300 games, Taylor was
    • 6th All Time in APG and
    • 12th in PPG
  • Era: Of the 30 players to play in at least 300 games between 1939 and 1948, Taylor is
    • 16th in Goals,
    • 15th in GPG,
    • 8th in Assists,
    • 6th in APG,
    • 11th in Points,
    • 10th in PPG,
    • 14th in OPS,
    • 20th in PS and Games Played
  • 82-game average: 22G, 46A for 68P
  • 3-year peak (1942-47): 50-game average of 19G, 33A for 52P
  • Playoffs: 6G, 18A for 24P in 33 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey-Reference:
      • 106G,
      • 263A for
      • 369P
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 27G, 67A for 94P
    • VsX: Doesn’t qualify for the adjustement
  • Trades:
    • Traded at 27 to Detroit for Harry Watson (23) – our 15th Greatest Maple Leafs Trade of All Time
    • Traded at 28 to Boston for Bep Guiidolin (21)
    • Traded at 28 to the Rangers with Future Considerations (Pentti Lund and Ray Manson) for Grant Warwick (26)
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