Is Ron Francis One of the Great Centres in NHL History?

Ron Francis undoubtedly belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Skaters who played as long as he did and were as consistently good as he was always get in.

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But the real question is, how good was he? He was never really a top offensive star and his best years came as the second line centre on a team with two of the best forwards in history (and one of the two candidates for best centre ever).

Listen to us debate Francis’ career here:

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Does Pat Verbeek Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

The “Little Ball of Hate” scored 500 goals and racked up nearly 3,000 penalty minutes. But otherwise, he doesn’t have much of a case to join the Hall of Fame, it would seem. So why did we talk about him?

Well, find out by listening to this episode:

Stats:

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Does Mark Howe Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

When Mark Howe was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame there was some controversy: They inducted who???

But Mark Howe was one of the elite NHL defensemen of the 1980s. Before that, he was one of the best forwards in the WHA.

We talk about Mark How’s case in our latest episode. Listen here:

Mark Howe’s stats:

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Does Tim Kerr Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Who is the only eligible NHL player to be in the Top 10 in Goals Per Game but not in the Hall of Fame? Why it’s Tim Kerr, who is 10th All Time in GPG and, yes, not in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

How is it that one of the best goal scorers in the history of the NHL is no the the Hall of Fame? We talk about that, and Kerr’s overall case in general, in this episode.

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Tim Kerr’s stats:

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Does Brendan Shanahan Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Does Brendan Shanahan belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame? It’s a silly question about one of the greatest power forwards ever. We still ask it and talk about his case.

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Does Chris Pronger Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Chris Pronger was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame even while under contract to an NHL team. What was the rush inducting while he was still technically active? Was he really that good.

In this episode we discuss Pronger’s career and his HOF case. Listen here:

Pronger’s stats:

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Bobby Hull

Career

  • NHL:
    • 1957-72, 1979-80; 16 seasons, 15 quality
    • Totals:
      • 610G (17th All Time), When he departed for the WHA, Hull was 2nd All Time in Goals,[2. Hull is now 17th in Goals]
      • 560A (9th in Assists at his retirement) for
      • 1170P (4th in Points at his retirement),
      • +105[1. Since 1967-68 17th in Plus Minus at his retirement] in
      • 1063 games (25th in Games at his retirement);
      • 135.7 PS
      • How is now 22nd All Time in OPS (3rd in Offensive Point Shares at his retirement)
      • Hull was 1st in GPG and PPG[4.¬†Hull is now 9th All Time in GPG] and 7th in APG when he decamped to the WHA[5. If the qualifier is set to 750 games, 65 qualifying players]
      • Era: Hull is
        • 1st in Goals,[6. Hull is ahead by 141 goals]
        • GPG,[7. Hull is ahead by .13 GPG]
        • Points,
        • PPG,[8. Hull is ahead by .16 PPG]
        • OPS[9. Hull is ahead by 30.5 Offensive Point Shares] and
        • PS,[10. Hull is ahead by 30.8 Point Shares]
        • 4th in Assists and APG, and
        • 3rd in Games[11. Of the 8 players to play in at least 1,000 games between 1957 and 1972]
      • 82-game average: 47G, 43A for 90P
      • 3-year peak (1963-66): 70-game average of 49G, 42A for 91P
    • Playoffs: 62G, 67A for 129P in 119 games[12. Hull held the career lead in playoff PPG in 1971]
    • Adjusted:
    • Hockey Reference:
      • 644G (11th All Time), 595A for 1219A
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 50G, 45A for 94P
      • Left the NHL,[13. Hull left the NHL for the richest contract in hockey history] not protected twice during the NHL expansion draft at the end of his career, traded halfway through his final season.
    • VsX:
  • WHA:
    • 1972-79; 7 seasons, 5 quality
    • 303G (2nd All Time), 335A (6th) for 638P (3rd) in 411 games
    • Hull is 3rd All Time in GPG, 4th in APG and 1st in PPG
    • 82-game average: 61G, 67A for 127P
    • 3-year peak (1974-77): 81-game average of 61G, 72A for 133P, +56
    • Playoffs: 43G, 37A for 80P in 60 games.
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Gordie Howe

Career

  • NHL: 1946-71; 1979-80; 26 seasons, 25 quality
  • Totals:
    • 801G (2nd All Time – Howe was the career leader in goals from 1963-64 until 1993-94),
    • 1049A (9th – Howe was the career leader in assists from 1957-58 until 1987-88) for
    • 1850P (4th – Howe was the career leader in points from 1959-60 until 1989-90),
    • 87 (since 1967-68] in 1767 games (1st);
    • 217.1 PS (1st at his retirement, Howe is now 3rd All Time)
  • Per Games: At his initial retirement in 1971 Howe was
    • 6th All Time in GPG, and
    • 5th in APG and
    • 5th in PPG (Howe was the career leader in PPG from 1953-54 until 1958-59)
    • (8. Minimum 500 games -if the qualifier is raised to 750 games, Howe was 3rd in GPG, APG and 4th in PPG All time)
  • At his initial retirement, Howe was 1st All Time in Offensive Point Shares (Howe is now 2nd)
  • Era: It does not make sense to talk about how Howe compares to his era because he played longer than anyone else and scored more than everyone else
  • 82-game average: 37G, 48A for 86P
  • 3-year peak (1950-53): 70-game average of 46G, 43A for 89P
  • Playoffs:
    • Totals:
      • 68G (17th All Time),
      • 92A (Howe was the career leader in playoff assists from 1957 until 1971) for
      • 160P (20th – Howe was the career leader in playoff points from 1964 until 1971) in
      • 157 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey-Reference:
      • 925G (1st All Time), 1265A (2nd) for 2190P (2nd)
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 43G, 59A for 102P
      • If the qualifier is set to 750 games, Howe is 7th All Time in Adjusted PPG (If the qualifier raised to 1,000 games, Howe is 3rd All Time)
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