Does Dave Keon Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

For some Dave Keon is perhaps the best defensive forward of the 1960s and one of the Greatest Maple Leafs of All Time.

For others, Keon’s per game numbers leave a lot to be desired. And his offensive numbers during the 1967 playoffs do not justify his Conn Smythe.

So, does Dave Keon belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

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Is Wayne Gretzky the Greatest Hockey Play of All Time?

Gretzky is The Great One. But some of us think Bobby Orr was better.

So maybe he’s the greatest forward ever. But then there’s Gordie Howe.

So maybe he’s the greatest centre ever. But then some people think Lemieux is.

For this episode, we spend it talking entirely about how incredible Gretzky was.

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Does Anders Hedberg Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Anders Hedberg’s Hall of Fame case is very similar to that of his countryman’s, Ulf Nilsson. Both came to North America at the same time. Both dominated the WHA and won Avo Cups. And then they left the Jets together for the Rangers, where they had some team success and less individual success. (And lots of injury problems.)

Are his WHA numbers enough?

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Does Vaclav Nedomansky Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Vaclav Nedomansky was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2019. Perhaps you’re wondering why. We know we were.

In this episode, we look at his case for induction and try to come up with an explanation as to why he is in and numerous other WHA and European stars are not.

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Does Ulf Nilsson Belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

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By some metrics, Ulf Nilsson was the Greatest Player, or at least Greatest Forward, in WHA history. (APG and PPG, specifically.) But when he moved to the NHL he saw his numbers plummet and his career fall apart due to injuries.

In this episode we discuss whether or not Ulf Nilsson did enough in the WHA for us to say he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

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Bobby Hull

Career

  • NHL:
    • 1957-72, 1979-80; 16 seasons, 15 quality
    • Totals:
      • 610G (17th All Time), When he departed for the WHA, Hull was 2nd All Time in Goals,[2. Hull is now 17th in Goals]
      • 560A (9th in Assists at his retirement) for
      • 1170P (4th in Points at his retirement),
      • +105[1. Since 1967-68 17th in Plus Minus at his retirement] in
      • 1063 games (25th in Games at his retirement);
      • 135.7 PS
      • How is now 22nd All Time in OPS (3rd in Offensive Point Shares at his retirement)
      • Hull was 1st in GPG and PPG[4.¬†Hull is now 9th All Time in GPG] and 7th in APG when he decamped to the WHA[5. If the qualifier is set to 750 games, 65 qualifying players]
      • Era: Hull is
        • 1st in Goals,[6. Hull is ahead by 141 goals]
        • GPG,[7. Hull is ahead by .13 GPG]
        • Points,
        • PPG,[8. Hull is ahead by .16 PPG]
        • OPS[9. Hull is ahead by 30.5 Offensive Point Shares] and
        • PS,[10. Hull is ahead by 30.8 Point Shares]
        • 4th in Assists and APG, and
        • 3rd in Games[11. Of the 8 players to play in at least 1,000 games between 1957 and 1972]
      • 82-game average: 47G, 43A for 90P
      • 3-year peak (1963-66): 70-game average of 49G, 42A for 91P
    • Playoffs: 62G, 67A for 129P in 119 games[12. Hull held the career lead in playoff PPG in 1971]
    • Adjusted:
    • Hockey Reference:
      • 644G (11th All Time), 595A for 1219A
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 50G, 45A for 94P
      • Left the NHL,[13. Hull left the NHL for the richest contract in hockey history] not protected twice during the NHL expansion draft at the end of his career, traded halfway through his final season.
    • VsX:
  • WHA:
    • 1972-79; 7 seasons, 5 quality
    • 303G (2nd All Time), 335A (6th) for 638P (3rd) in 411 games
    • Hull is 3rd All Time in GPG, 4th in APG and 1st in PPG
    • 82-game average: 61G, 67A for 127P
    • 3-year peak (1974-77): 81-game average of 61G, 72A for 133P, +56
    • Playoffs: 43G, 37A for 80P in 60 games.
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Gordie Howe

Career

  • NHL: 1946-71; 1979-80; 26 seasons, 25 quality
  • Totals:
    • 801G (2nd All Time – Howe was the career leader in goals from 1963-64 until 1993-94),
    • 1049A (9th – Howe was the career leader in assists from 1957-58 until 1987-88) for
    • 1850P (4th – Howe was the career leader in points from 1959-60 until 1989-90),
    • 87 (since 1967-68] in 1767 games (1st);
    • 217.1 PS (1st at his retirement, Howe is now 3rd All Time)
  • Per Games: At his initial retirement in 1971 Howe was
    • 6th All Time in GPG, and
    • 5th in APG and
    • 5th in PPG (Howe was the career leader in PPG from 1953-54 until 1958-59)
    • (8. Minimum 500 games -if the qualifier is raised to 750 games, Howe was 3rd in GPG, APG and 4th in PPG All time)
  • At his initial retirement, Howe was 1st All Time in Offensive Point Shares (Howe is now 2nd)
  • Era: It does not make sense to talk about how Howe compares to his era because he played longer than anyone else and scored more than everyone else
  • 82-game average: 37G, 48A for 86P
  • 3-year peak (1950-53): 70-game average of 46G, 43A for 89P
  • Playoffs:
    • Totals:
      • 68G (17th All Time),
      • 92A (Howe was the career leader in playoff assists from 1957 until 1971) for
      • 160P (20th – Howe was the career leader in playoff points from 1964 until 1971) in
      • 157 games
  • Adjusted:
    • Hockey-Reference:
      • 925G (1st All Time), 1265A (2nd) for 2190P (2nd)
      • Adjusted 82-game average: 43G, 59A for 102P
      • If the qualifier is set to 750 games, Howe is 7th All Time in Adjusted PPG (If the qualifier raised to 1,000 games, Howe is 3rd All Time)
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